Saturday, May 8, 2010

When Narcissists looks like one but is not.


I enjoyed the v/blog done by ASCdeaf. I could relate to the topic because I have been accused of using my child to promote an agenda. My 15 years old son is very interested in politics and loves to follow DeafVideo.tv and he makes it a habit of monitoring my activities there. He loves to try and find humor in everything that we do. He has been accused of doing things for me, as in being my puppet. In short, as a deaf child he is not given the credit where it is due simply because his father happens to be a well-known controversial v/blogger. Technically speaking, he feels as if he is stuck in my shadow, which I can understand. It’s natural for children to look up to their parents and do some of the same things themselves. A parent that loves to fish will likely have children who love to fish too. Parents that love to camp will likely have children that love to camp as well. It does not mean they’re being told what to do. It does not mean they do not have their own unique perspective on things.

Let's suppose you are a mother of a daughter who loves to interview people on videos. And let's supposed your daughter happens to be very active with DBC, AFA and Deafhood movements. What do you do when you are being accused of using your child? What do you do when you're being labeled as a narcissist? What do you do to encounter the problem and make sure that the credit is given where it is due? I’m sure that many parents find themselves in the same boat because their children would pick off the same interest off them just as my son picked some things off me.

Based on my observation of DBC, AFA and Deafhoodized folks, they also used their children to promote their agendas. There were many children at their events, namely rallies and protests. There are no shortage of pictures and videos of deaf parents with their children (hearing and deaf) at these events. Sometimes they do it to boost participation numbers to make their crowd appear larger. The children even carried signs in some of the places. Does that make these parents narcissists? Does that mean they're using their children?

The example that was created on a father and a son in Russia, needing access to a bathroom is not based on narcissist character but co-dependency traits. Using the child to ask for access to a bathroom has more to do with one's co-dependency trait, for the fear of being rejected and for the fear of receiving no for an answer. That, is a co-dependency trait, not a narcissist trait.

And lastly, there is a difference between a true narcissist and a look-like narcissist. A true narcissist would do or say anything to win the popularity contest. I agree. A look-like narcissist but not an actual narcissist is someone who sticks to the principle even if he or she is the alone with the point of view / opinion and does not worry about the poll (popularity contest). A true narcissist do not roam freely and they are not independent of public opinion. They fret and they worry about people’s opinion and views and will flip-flop and do anything to maintain their popularity status. A look-like narcissist but not a narcissist do not worry about such thing simply because they still see things the way they do and they stick by the principles whether it's a popular view or not. Huge differences.

It's recklessly dangerous for any professionals to try and label any parents of narcissist character for their children's behavior without knowing several things first. 1) Are the parent(s) worried about their popularity count or are they firm believer of a principle regardless of popularity count? How do you prove either points? 2) How do we know if the child is not acting on their own and if this child does not have their own unique perspective on things? And how do you prove either points? 3) How do you know if the parent or the child are not without co-dependency traits?

In short, it's not as simple as blaming it on narcissist traits. And even shameful for any professionals to stereotype majority of narcissists as 'mostly men'. The reason many men do not show up for therapies has to do with pride more than it does their narcissist traits.

26 comments:

  1. Jehanne moms are Dr Candace McCullough (biological mother) and Sharon Duchesneau, both psychotherapists. Candace McCullough is the owner of Alternative Solutions Center (ASC). The site where Candace vlogged about Narcissists, is owned by ASC. That's why I couldn't believe my eyes. She is using her clinical psychology center to vlog her personal opinion and portraying it as a clinical opinion.

    http://www.deafread.com/blogger/472

    http://jehanne.wordpress.com/2009/04/04/audism-free-america-friday/

    I feel that she crossed an ethical line since they are closely ties with Ella Mae Lentz. Go figure!

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  2. Tony,

    I do not know the name of people you listed and do not know if they're connected in any way, whether they're related or not but it's simply shameful for them to use their clinical professions / licenses to promote personal agendas by labeling their opponents, with whom they might disagree with.

    My observation is this... they are trying to place a cap some of the parents by labeling them as narcissists by staking a frivolous claims by saying they're using their children. What they failed to realize is some children out there are so fond of their parents. They are not without personal opinion and many of them hold unique views on things. I know my children admire me for who I am and they try and pick off some of the things they see me in. Who am I to tell them not to do that or even control what they should do or not do? If that's how they raise their children then I certainly can understand why they raised the red flag... words they use are like mirror, a reflection of self. Because they might have used their children it does not mean we're doing it.

    I did a research and noticed their close connection with the deafhoodized group so I had to raise the question about the ethical practice behind the message.

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  3. Hmm that comment by Tony was interesting. I saw nothing wrong with the video. We see these things all the time in the media. Election year brings tons of cartoons in print of similar nature.

    Tony's comment raises a lot of questions about ethics and crossing lines.

    Cobi is a teenager, correct? Most teens will NOT do something they don't want to do. Even Tweens. So, with that in mind, I think ASC really went too far with this topic.

    You have such a creative child. And a mature one that knows how to tastefully create a video that does not cross the line.

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  4. Right Candysweetblog. I did not see anything wrong with my son's vlog either. In fact I thought he poked fun at me as well and I was not offended by it.

    And yes, he's a teenager. Fifteen years old. Do they really believe that 15 years old are without opinion and without unique perspective? And without desire to participate? Seriously?

    I'd be damned if I controlled my son and banned him from expressing his opinion and work freely and I'd be damned if I let him speak his mind and share his work with others. I'm damned either way. What do they want me to do? Disown my child and send him up for adoption? LOL.

    The worse thing about it is these adults are trying their hardest to discredit my son's unique views and his wonderful work. He's so creative but yet they don't want to believe a deaf boy is capable of beingthat creative. What does it say about deaf people who don't believe in their own kind? Fortunately for my son, he knows what to believe and is a strong person. But lets' suppose they say stuff that belittles a deaf child like that and this child actually believes his work is not appreciated? Imagine the damage it could do to the child.

    And it's being done for the sake of deafhoodized people who happen to disagree with the child's father? And to see how far ASC was willing to go to help their personal friends is simply unfortunate. Should not happen.

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  5. Hello. I like your blog here, not because you told me to like it. I believe those people know damn well what they did. They damn well know they were hypocrites when they accuse of you of using your son as a shield, more than once.

    I do recognize ascdeaf was biased in her vlog. I do not think she was credible in her speech. I will have to review some of her old vlogs and see.

    She will not answer your questions or comments under her vlog, because she said, "We are unable to leave comments at DVTV. Thank you". Truth of the matter is they are able to, they just do not want to. I guess it was their way of promoting their website. Not that it is wrong, but why lie about it.
    BBF

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  6. That's right bigbenfactor. I created three video comments under her vlog at DVTV. She deleted the third comment but left first two. I left a nice text comment under her blog but so far she has refused to publish it. Because of that it's quite obvious who she's targeting.

    Might be necessary to send a copy of her youtube video and comments to Maryland Psychological licensure board for egregious violations of ethics.

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  7. Sorry Ridor, The Void. You lost your privilege to post comments in my v/blog a long time ago.

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  8. The whole thing with Dr. Candace A. McCullough's latest vlog is very disturbing. I try to develop my habit of giving everyone the full benefit of the doubt unless the concrete evidence shows otherwise. But, there are some circumstantial or subtle hints in her vlog that made me doubt her altruistic motivation behind her vlog. Also, the timing of her vlog after your son’s vlog is very eerie. Yet, I must resist the temptation to turn these unreliable evidences into facts.

    If you still feel that her vlog is about you, you should know that Dr. McCullough is not a licensed psychologist. She is a Licensed Clinical Professional Counselor (LCPC). The complaint form can be found at http://www.dhmh.state.md.us/bopc/bopcweb/html/Complaint.htm .

    I would encourage you to try to have personal dialogue with Dr. McCullough if it is possible before you even thinking about filling out a complaint form. Or, simply ignoring her vlog may be a good alternative solution to the sticky situation.

    Joseph Pietro Riolo
    josephpietrojeungriolo@gmail.com

    Public domain notice: I put all of my expressions in this post in the public domain.

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  9. Joseph, thank you for your input. I've made an effort to communicate with her but she has been unresponsive. She even deleted some of my personal comments for her.

    Regardless, as you pointed out, the timing of her clinical message is quite eerie. I agree therefore it's not unreasonable for me to report her to the State that monitors licensed counselors.

    Appreciate your input.

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  10. Hi Barry -

    After your blog here, I decided to re-watch ASCDeaf's vlog. I didn't see her bending ethics.

    I see that she said for anyone NOT to label. She is right. We have no right to label anyone. For everyday in life, it's important for all of us to identify and help to improve.

    I am not sure where her ethics have bent.

    Just a thought here.

    Thanks,
    Kathryn

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  11. Hi Kathyrn,

    Play naive if you want to. Ask yourself something here. How many deaf people have been accused of 'using their children' in DVTV, ASLRocks and Youtube?

    Simple answer. Russell Errigo and myself.

    You, deafhoodized people, accused the two of us of 'using our children' many times. It's no secret. Everybody knows that.

    Furthermore I have concrete evidence showing that Candace is deeply involved with deafhood movement and their so-called leaders. I happen to know that she decided to do them a favor by using her profession / license to label me. Watch her vlog again, with me in mind and you'll catch the drift.

    In her video she clearly indicated that based on her recent observation of actual deaf people / persons. She did not discuss the subject based on the issue itself but based on what she observed on actual people. She did not have the authority to evaluate and diagnose actual people and worse yet, vlog about them. Even if she was not talking about me it is still a case of egregious violations of ethics because she is talking about somebody, an actual person or persons.

    Such reckless action has left numerous deaf people wondering if she was talking about them, including me. It's wrong and it will be reported to Department of Health & Mental Hygiene, Board of Professional Counselors & Therapies in Maryland. I printed the form and will be filing a complaint based on several points I just laid out. On top of that, the timing of her video is evidently bad when some of you became outraged about my son's vlog.

    Kathyrn, play naive if you want to but it won't help your credibility.

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  12. Hi Barry, if it is possible for me to pass the message to Kathyrn, Kathyrn, I find it a bizarre for you to say that it is not right to labelling from a child towards the adult, first of all,on what I had observed on the animated video that made by Barry's son, I think it is very advance sense of humour, and second of all, lot of children in any network does labelled anyone else but they were not to be criticized but toward Barry’s son alone. Isnt it being fairness for anyone who can criticized him but not to others. Those people are taking this advantage because Barry are known in world wide with his wisdoms and his valid points that those opposite would love to pull that one down? And It is okay for children who would love follow their parent's path for what their parent had achieved, It is called their learning procession. Lot of Children would want their want their parent to look down on their children and be proud of them. it is usual for them to act something to impressed their parent, for example, I love horses, my daugter would love to ride on any horse to impressed me that she also love those horses, she would normally looked up to me to show that we are similar. That is nothing wrong.

    Thanks, Willy

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  13. Willy, please feel free to use this forum to communicate with others.

    You raised a valid point. It's natural for the children to look up to their parents and try some of the same things that they do. They want to make us proud so it's natural for children. Thank you for reminding us. It does make me wonder about the people that criticize me and my children. Do they allow their children to be what they want to be? If so, how can they treat us differently? The truth is probably this, they hate me with all of their guts and figured they'd use my children to get back at me.

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  14. Hi Barry -

    Okay. I only gave you my thought.

    I think I better retreat myself to elsewhere. I guess that the advice you were giving me in your previous vlog is something I should take.

    Thank you for willing to post my comment.

    Kathryn
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    Hi Willy -

    I did not say "I" to "label". I want to make sure that you are not misunderstanding me.

    I said that I saw that Candance saying that it's NOT right to label anyone. Important to observe and to improve for betterment.

    That's all.

    I had wanted to leave my comment and of course, some questions to clarify for me to understand. After seeing this, I have second thought and probably shouldn't. That's okay.

    Sorry if I step on the wrong side of this. Please enjoy your vacation and catch you sometimes.

    Thanks,
    Kathryn

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  15. Hi Kathryn,

    As usual, I gave you a very detailed answer because you asked the question. And yet you had nothing to say about it? What, then was the purpose of your question?

    Barry

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  16. Hi Barry -

    Wait, which question were you referring to? I want to make sure that we are not on wrong road.

    The main issue here:

    I understand that you saw and felt that that vlog was obviously about you.

    What I saw that that vlog was to anyone who went through, i.e. divorce, battle over children / pets and so forth. I agreed with vlog that it does not give us the right to label anyone. It is okay for us to observe and help improving the situation for betterment of people's children. I don't know whether you agree.

    So, your last comment, I understand your detailed answer but it was not what I was seeing. It's why we see different way and leave at it because it will not take us to anywhere, correct?

    Kathryn

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  17. The question you technically raised happened when you said "I am not sure where her ethics have bent".

    You were not sure where she did something unethical so I provided you with an explanation.

    Initially I did not watch her video and did not plan on watching until I received emails from my fans telling me that they felt that I was being targeted by ASCdeaf. That was when I decided to watch and after I watched it I could understand why some of my fans felt that way. My fans were disgusted with the message so I figured I'd make a candidate out of myself and come forward, for whatever it was worth and make this issue known to Candace. She blocked my comments and deleted several of them so I decided to create this blog.

    Her comments in encouraging people not to label anyone is moot because in her video she clearly said she had observed some deaf people on the internet and she went even further to label them narcissists who used their children. She was not talking about the issue itself but about actual deaf people who had such traits and who actually used their children.

    I did some research and learned about her involvement with deafhood movements and her close working relationship with deafhoodized people. Immediately afterwards I smelled a foul play on her part. Your people sure like to put together nasty operations to destroy people's lives simply because you don't have a valid argument to bring to the table the way we do it. Personal attacks seem to be your people's favorite thing to do and I don't see you condemning them for it.

    Furthermore, it does not take a rocket scientists to see who showed up to leave comments under ASCdeaf's vlog at youtube. All of these comments came from the same old deafhoodized people.

    Kathryn, do yourself a favor. Quit treating deaf people as if they are dumb. They are not dumb. They can see things clearly and they understand the dirty tricks your people are doing again and again. Your people keep on shooting themselves in the foot. They're making things worse for themselves. They desperately need your help so why are you focused on us and the things we say? Why not focus on them and stop people from doing personal attacks against others.

    Thanks for hearing me out.

    Barry

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  18. Kathryn, even Ridor said it was obvious that Candace was referring to Barry, lol. Now what do you think? Cracks me up...

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  19. Pure intent to destruct anyone's employment is an obvious oppressor behavior. I wouldn't recommend this because you have no solid proof that they were referring to you.

    I would support you if she mentions your name.

    Can you prove me that she actually mentions your name ? If so, where? Which part?

    Thank you.

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  20. Tousi -

    It is Ridor's point of view. I chose otherwise. So, this is all about the way you want to see.

    Anyway.

    Guys, I think that this is cue for me to go.

    Thank you, Barry.

    Have a good day.

    Kathryn

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  21. Kathryn, that's called 'turning a blind eye' on a problem.

    Have a good day too,
    Barry

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  22. No Football. No where did I ever say I was going to try and destruct anybody's employment. Furthermore Candace owns ASC so I don't think she's going to terminate herself.

    The purpose of submitting a complaint form is to inquire for an investigation on who she was referring to as 'narcissist' since she evidently said in her video that she has already examined and evaluated certain deaf people on the internet, therefore she diagnosed somebody in public. The second purpose of the report is to demonstrate reasonable cause to believe that she was referring to me.

    This way, she will have to submit an official response to the Licensure Board and state her reasons for evaluating and assessing certain deaf people and labeling them in public. Secondly she'll have to produce an official statement to state that I am not the subject of her vlog. After all, there is a reasonable cause to believe that she was referring to me. And yes, I have evidences to back that up.

    Pure intent to destruct anyone's personal lives is an obvious oppressor behavior.

    Want concrete proof? Give me your full legal name and we'll go from there. Can't help you if you cower behind an anonymous name. Who knows, you might be Candace yourself.

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  23. ASCdeaf changed her vlog about narcissists and took out the references to parents who use their children. did you save a copy of the original vlog? I'd like to see it. thanks.

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  24. Hi ASL HeartandSoul. Thank you for letting me know about the changes made. I do have a hard copy of the original video in my hard drive. Yes. Let me know how you'd like it delivered and I'll see what I can do on my end. I still need to reformat the video into DVD before having it mailed to the Licensure Board.

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  25. If you're going to make a DVD, would you mind making a copy for me? I will pay for postage and handling, of course. :) contact me offlist at ASL (dot) HeartandSoul (at) gmail (dot) com. or if you have a private website or blog, invite me to view it online. this issue strikes close to home because I'm in social services myself. I cringe every time I see someone "analyze" and "diagnose" another from a distance, even if only indirectly or by implication. BTW, I thought Cobi's video was pretty darn funny and quite inoffensive. ASCdeaf's reaction was way out of line, IMO.

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  26. Just saw my reflections on a computer screen, I saw myself as a narcissist, aren't we all as Freud thought.
    Deaf Anthology

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